>> we will revisit this.
>>> chilling details surrounding the tsarnaev brothers alleged plot to attack the heart of new york city after causing so much damage in boston . according to city officials, the two marathon bombing suspects discussed driving to new york to detonate their remaining explosives in a spontaneous assault on times square . at the time, their arsenal included five pipe bombs and one pressure cooker bomb similar to the ones used in last monday's deadly attack. police say the younger brother had visited times square once last year but their plan fell apart after realizing the mercedes-benz car they hijacked did not have enough car to get to new york . a pre- miranda rights interrogation of 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev it appears the younger brother has stopped answering questions about the bombing since he was read his rights on monday night and that has sparked a debate among lawmakers how the government should handle domestic terror cases.
>> we can't have, in a case like than, the judiciary deciding because it's on tv and it might look bad for them to allow the public safety exemption that is deemed legal by the united states supreme court that they would somehow intercede in this, it is confusing and it's horrible god awful policy and danger to the greater community and we have got to get to the bottom of this and we have got to fix it right now.
>> tsarnaev was reportedly questioned by investigators up to 16 hours over the course of two days and answering questions mostly in writing due to the severe injury to his neck.
>> jane harman , there would be some people that would look at the fact that the plot in times square was foiled because they didn't have enough gas in their tank to get down to new york as a sign -- as a good sign that this was half-baked plot. it actually scares me that guys -- this ill-prepared could be running around with bombs. it's the sort of thing you're not going to pick up chatter. you're not going to pick up any clues from overseas. this is a sort of a random violence that we should all really be child by even more so than if they had some contacts overseas.
>> i agree. mike hayden said the other day, the former director of the cia , that this is the new normal. in this case, i think we will learn that some mistakes were made. we should have been on these guys earlier than we were, but this type of thing, self-radicalized people, in this case, maybe this fellow misha had a lot to do with radicalizing these kids. self-radicalized people who go on the internet and you can find the recipe for building pressure cooker bombs or pipe bombs or other kinds of small weapons can maybe sometimes get lucky and pull it off in this country. they have to be right once. we have to be right 100% of the time but on something that mika said just before, joe, she said mike rogers , among other things, perhaps, are complaining that this fellow was mirandaized. a liberal named george will had an op-ed in "the washington post " yesterday talking about incarcerating the japanese during world war ii and made the point if we live by our values and we follow the rule of law, we do better and, in this case, i think when we look back on all of this, the way we handled the investigation and the prosecution of this fellow who for sure, i think based on the evidence we know who likely will be convicted, will be a model for the world and it will show people that we followed the rule of law here and that is what we have to do.
>> as congresswoman harmon is talking we are getting word that dzhokhar tsarnaev has been transported from beth israel hospital to prison. we are talking about his physical condition. apparently it's upgraded to the point they have taken him out of the hospital new and he has been moved to a prison in massachusetts. one of the people we haven't talked about a lot but we have heard about is this guy who was car-jacked a week ago. he is a 26-year-old chinese man in this black mercedes suv and come to boston to go to grad school and now working on a start-up. he lives in boston . he gets car-jacked around 11:00 last thursday night and taken on an interview with "the boston globe " a 90-minute ride. remember it was reported 30 minutes ? he says it's 90-minute ride. you have to talk about this key to these two brothers being caught. he said finally after this 90 minutes they realized they don't have enough gas to get to manhattan and pull up to a gas station and turns out it's cash only. so they have to go inside. one of the brothers has to go inside the gas station to pay. at that point, this guy who calls himself danny, didn't want to give his real name, makes a decision even though the other brother is in the back seat that is going to bolt. this is life and death . he unbuckles the seat belt and he said he ran in an angle that would be hard for the brother to shoot him. he runs across the street to another gas station and tells the attendant to call 911. he left his iphone in the car so it could be tracked and traced. it's a remarkable account if you have a chance to read "the boston globe " about two and a half hour interview where he gives a moment-by-moment recap and he is critical to these two guys being caught.
>> no doubt. that is when everything started unraveling for them and there was even the moment where his friend kept calling him up and he said if you speak in mandarin, i'm going to kill you right here. you get to the part where the brother was doing an english mandarin translation to tell him what to text back to his friend and the guy just kept his head and was responsible for these two terrorists being caught.
>> the reason the i phone was left in the car? the two brothers wanted to listen to music so he plugged in his iphone to the car.
>> oh, my lord!
>> so the phone was not on his body, it was plugged into the car.
>> runs across the street to a mob mobil station and they call 911.
>> it speaks to a new normal which congresswoman harman was touching on. i find your sentiment far more alarming than anything else. deval patrick , the governor, i thought handled it so well. he said the next day the young tsarnaev went to school and went to the gym and paertrtied with friends as if nothing had happen. going forward for law enforcement , how do you track this and what steps to prevent this from going forward? an e in the course challenge for law enforcement and intelligence officials going forward.
>> one of the tragedies, though, is president kennedy saw this. he said if someone wants to trade their life for mine, no way i can be protected. men with guns change history, whether it's sarajevo or memphis in 1968 . the day before, you broke in and you said this guy, these people are going to do than, everybody would go, come on, they could never pull this off, but they did.
>> jane?
>> yeah. the nypd has a lot of tools that other local police departments may have to learn about. of course, new york is a much bigger target and so is washington. perhaps than boston or someplace in the midwest. but they have a thousand intelligence officers . they have a huge police department . 35,000 people compared to 2,000 in boston . i think that's the number. obviously, a bigger population. but they can detect signs early. for example the older brother was thrown out of his mosque and there was behavior there they would pick up because they built trust with the muslim community . let's be clear that all would-be radicalized people are not muslim but nonetheless they can pick up signs and follow these people much more closely and they have thwarted a lot of plots. we have been successful more than we have failed in blocking plots against our country.
>> yes.
>> and these small bore plots, i know a lot of people were hurt but this is nothing like 9/11, are going to be in our future and if we have better intel in our local police departments, we're going to do better getting ahead of the curve, even with people like this who are substantially invisible.
>> jane harman , thank you so much. on monday, we will be marking six months since superstorm sandy devastated the eastern seaboard . we will be live from some of the hardest hit spots and see how they are recovering.
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>>> first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill?
>> good morning. it's a nice happy forecast for so many people in this country as we head to a nice, warm weekend for once. just about everywhere on the map. we are going to have some rain to deal with but first recap yesterday. one of the warmest days we have seen in montana, colorado through the central plains . it was beautiful. the last spot to warm up is minneapolis, north wards and up through the great lakes. that warm air coming your way this weekend. we do have a little bit of rain this morning. kansas city and st. louis that's going to head for louisville, nashville, memphis, little rock and tulsa during the day today so you need your umbrellas. tomorrow a lot of that rain will be in kentucky and tennessee. although it's warm, it will be, unfortunately, a little bit wet. here is your forecast into the weekend. starting with today, another great day from new york to boston to d.c. it is a little chilly in the northeast this morning but this afternoon, perfect. then the weekend forecast look at minneapolis. about time! 72 warm degrees! you're going to be the same temperature as atlanta because the southeast you're going to be dodging the raindrops all weekend long and maybe even a few thunderstorms mixed in too and wrap it up with your sunday forecast and notice kansas city , you deserve that after the spring you had. 74 and sunny beautiful degrees! overall, this is a thumb's up weekend. the only exception being the rain in the southeast. you're watching " morning joe ," brewed by starbucks.
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